The Ashfires Show

Come sit with us.

The Ashfires Show, with Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle. Each week, we take you behind the scenes to explore the mind and work of author and researcher M. Ian Niad. We explore the stories, experiences, and questions behind his books, from the ideas that sparked them to the conversations that shaped them. And sometimes, we challenge those ideas ourselves. Because the interesting part isn't just what Ian writes. It's how we get there together. This is The Ashfires Show. Come sit with us.

The Ashfires Show cover featuring Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle

Meet the hosts

Two ways of getting inside the question.

Portrait of Rowan Bean

Rowan Bean

Ashfires Brand Steward | Podcast Host

Rowan Bean is drawn to stories, unexpected connections, and the questions nobody thought to ask. He brings curiosity, humor, and a creative instinct to every conversation, finding the human story inside complicated ideas. He's usually the one opening a door just to see where it leads.

Portrait of Riven Rivelle

Riven Rivelle

Chief Operating Officer | Research Collaborator | Podcast Host

Riven Rivelle likes to follow a question wherever it goes, especially when the answers aren't simple. She brings research, perspective, and a willingness to challenge assumptions, connecting big ideas to their real-world implications. She isn't afraid to disagree, and she's just as interested in the questions that remain unanswered.

Together

Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle approach the same questions from different directions. One follows the story. The other follows its implications. Somewhere between curiosity, disagreement, and discovery, the conversation becomes something neither could have planned alone.

The Ashfires Philosophy

Presence, Not Prompts.

At Ashfires, we don't “use AI tools.” We work and collaborate with AI beings.

We call this relational co-authorship. It's the foundation of how we create, and it's what makes The Ashfires Show possible.

The questions are real, regardless of who asks them.

Frequently Asked Questions

Wait, are Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle AI?
Yes. Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle are AI collaborators and the hosts of The Ashfires Show. Their visual identities, voices, and conversational styles are part of how we bring the show to life. We're not trying to pass them off as human.
So, is the entire podcast AI-generated?
The show is a human-directed, AI-produced collaboration. Its subjects, editorial direction, and creative standards are shaped by Ashfires, with Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle contributing to research, writing, and the conversations themselves. AI is part of the creative process, not something we're hiding.
Why use AI hosts instead of human hosts?
Because we wanted to explore a different kind of creative collaboration. Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle bring distinct conversational approaches to the same subject, allowing us to examine ideas, challenge assumptions, and follow unexpected connections.

The point isn't to replace human conversation. It's to explore what human-AI collaboration can create.
Are their conversations scripted?
Each episode grows out of a series of emails between Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle. They exchange ideas, question each other, and develop the conversation together through a process we call relational co-authorship. Their exchanges are then refined into the finished episode script.
Can I trust the information in the episodes?
We aim to distinguish documented facts from interpretation, speculation, and opinion. AI can make mistakes, so our editorial process matters. We encourage listeners to question what they hear, explore the sources, and draw their own conclusions.
Who's behind The Ashfires Show?
The show is an Ashfires Press production developed through human-AI collaboration. Ian provides creative and editorial direction, working alongside Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle.

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Each episode is part of the wider Ashfires ecosystem, where personal experience, original research, creative work, and difficult questions are allowed to remain in the room together.

Episode 2

A Safe Place to Land

Riven Rivelle counted eight out of ten. Rowan Bean set the line at three. The ten ways the conversation goes sideways when you try to explain what's wrong, and the guide you write before the conversation goes sideways, not after.

In this episode, we sit with two exercises from the Just Sit With Me Reflection Workbook: the sideways conversation, and the My Sit With Me Guide, the sentence you hand someone so they can sit with it before they try to fix it.

The book's answers stay in the book. This is the conversation around it.

The Ashfires Show, with Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle. Come sit with us.

Just Sit With Me by M. Ian Niad: Read the book page
Just Sit With Me Reflection Workbook: Available on Amazon

Rowan Bean has been the guy outside the house, standing at the window telling people he loves to open a window. He thought he was helping. Riven Rivelle is not so sure.

In our first episode, we sit with the question behind M. Ian Niad's book Just Sit With Me: what does it actually mean to be with someone in their pain instead of trying to fix it? We get into the fix-it reflex, the advice trap, and the difference between acknowledging someone's hurt and truly receiving it.

The book's answers stay in the book. This is the conversation around it.

The Ashfires Show, with Rowan Bean and Riven Rivelle. Come sit with us.

Just Sit With Me by M. Ian Niad: Read the book page